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our works do not testify, nor confirm, or add to our salvation but they do testify to our faith by which we believe that we are saved by Grace...James 2 says -faith without works of righteousness is dead ... so we must keep the 10 commandments including the 7th day Sabbath

Messiah Matters did a great show today that you should check out.

@ 47:00 "What was the point of Jesus coming to Earth" As a sacrifice to make up for our sin. We will still sin but need to try and keep his commands not the Torah.

When Jesus said ‘I am’ he always existed in the forethought of God as in logos, (outward thought), he never physically existed before his birth. Jesus reflected the character of God but as a man, not divine, the son of God through conception. God is One.

there was pardon of sin before there was an altar in a tabernacle or temple you don't understand the sacrifices you don't understand atonement how can you compare/contrast the work of messiah laying down his life to something you are clearly misinformed on?

Trash video simply because you've taken what 119 says out of context to fit your own argument. The only people who will buy this are people who are only taking your word and haven't compared it to what 119 actually says. Shame on you.

The tradition given by Moses is a wonderful way to show Jewish love of God. Being a gentile and not Jewish I would consider it a grievous act of cultural appropriation were I to follow the Jewish traditions. They were given to the children of Israel by God through Moses. And they belong to the Jewish people.

When the Law of God, not the letter of the Law of Moses but the spirit of the Law of God, is written upon our heart it becomes a natural part of our character and we are not able to break it. This is the perfect Law of liberty.

your speech is impressive, but you are totally off topic, and it is remarkable how you try to fool the world with your gibberish. what you're trying to do is downright ridiculous and hypocritical and I don't like your stupid example of watching the movie The 6th Sense spare me this joke. maybe it would be more beneficial to use your neurons in a constructive way and not trying to make all kinds of stupid arguments. your jesus did not prophesy anything that came true and the torah did not mention anything about this made up character anywhere

Another sound Biblical refutation of Hebrew Roots!

Very instructive.

Sacrifice is a legal provision for an unintentional crime. I prefer the use of the word "crime" instead of "sin", because it helps bring this situation in its correct context. Ancient Israel was a theocratic government and the Torah served as its constitution. Therefore, if the Israelite citizen were to unintentionally break a commandment, it would not only constitute a "sin" but it would represent a legal violation, i.e. a crime. Israel entered into the Covenant, through blood. The implication of this procedure is that should they break the Torah, it would warrant their immediate death. Therefore, when an Israelite committed a crime by breaking the Torah, they would essentially incur the death penalty. This record of a crime being committed, and the punishment that such an action warrants, is legally placed on the "Nefesh" (the body) of the guilty. Sacrifice was the method the Torah provides for the Israelite to remove the record of a crime from their "Nefesh" thereby removing the death penalty and restoring their legal status. After sacrifice, the Israelite returns to a legal blank slate. All of this is happening on the level of legal fiction. Nothing regarding "sin" is actually being dealt with, in the way we typically think of "sin". The Torah dealt with crime and provided methods of removing the record of crime. Yes, sin made the Israelite inclined towards crime, but all the Torah can monitor and regulate, is crime - not sin. Once the record of a crime is removed, it does not remove sin from the heart of the Israelite. The Israelite, still under sin and therefore imperfect, will inevitably struggle with their nature and come to commit a crime once again, either intentionally or unintentionally. While animals were sacrificed for crime, Jesus died for our SIN. Seen in this light, when Jesus comes back, and when the theocratic nation of Israel is restored, I do not see a conflict between the presence of Jesus in their midst, and the return of sacrifice. During the millennial reign, the Israelites who haven't been raised to life, or granted perfect immortal bodies (those who didn't take part in the first resurrection) will still occupy imperfect bodies subject to a sin nature, and intentional or unintentional crime will still be committed. If crime is still a possibility, so too, is the need for legal provision to handle that crime. Here's another way to understand the differentiation. Imagine if a Christian speeds past a red traffic light. This is clearly illegal. But is it a sin? Well, it can be. For example, if a Christian were deliberately careless and intentionally decided to speed through a red light, by doing so, that Christian is putting themselves, and others in danger. Rather than loving their neighbor, they are putting the safety of their neighbor at risk. This is indeed a sin. While Jesus died for our sins, this does nothing to free us of our obligation to deal with the terrestrial legal consequences for breaking traffic laws and putting others at risk. To amend your statement at the beginning, we don't sacrifice because the temple is not present, because Israel is not a theocratic nation using the Torah as its law, and because we are not citizens. If the Temple were rebuilt, and if Israel returned to a theocratic form of government to enforce the Torah, and if a Christian became a citizen of this government, well then, they would be engaging in sacrifice because this is what the Torah would require of them. In the same way, we do certain things, or comply to certain rules, such acquiring a driver's license before driving, in order to avoid breaking the law of the government in which we are under. Since the Torah was intended as the law that would govern the physical nation of Israel, it isn't appropriate to think that it applies to the Christian gentile, unless that Christian believes he is a legal citizen of the nation of Israel.

The Sabbath Commandment is crossroad issue. If you emphasize the seventh day part, you go off into works. If you emphasize rest from your labors as God rested from His (Genesis 2:2,3), you go into living by faith.

Aka “falling away”…. So sad. “Father forgive them for they know not what they do…”. Doing the Law is how we LOVE GOD and LOVE OTHERS. Help them Father to have eyes to see and ears to hear. So sad.

It's interesting because you are both right and wrong. Right in that we do not do animal sacrifices because christ died for sins once and for all. Animals did not have the power to forgive sin, it is Jesus blood that has is and will atone for all man kind. It was that way since the beginning of man. Wrong in that the law changed or has been done away with for basically the same reason. We have a preist, a temple, and a sacrifice in Jesus. The fact that we even use the word atonement in relation to Jesus proves that sacrifice is still required. The fact that his sacrifice was a single event is not support for the law being done away with. It is support that Jesus is God. If the law is not in effect then neither is Jesus sacrifice. Because mankind still requires atonement for sin, sacrifice is alo required. And we offer Jesus blood as our sacrifice. Otherwise we the concept of faith in Christ's blood wouldn't make any sense because we would not be compelled to offer anything for sin. You see, if sacrifice is not required then neither is the blood of Jesus. But that's not true. We still need atonement and Jesus sacrifice is still effective. Also, you are absolutely wrong about animal sacrifice being optional under the new covenant. If anyone trusts in the blood of animals for forgiveness has rejected the blood of Christ and are still dead in their sins. Are you actually teaching that is OK under the new covenant to offer animals sacrifices for sin?

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When I talk to Hebrew Roots people, they always mention the Ezekiel Temple and that there will be live sacrifices during the Millennium. Why is that?

Love the short sleeves. Great choice.

Copied....... I believe one the reasons people have been awakened to Torah in these last days is to share the fact that Y'Shua (Jesus) observed His Father's Instructions (law) and taught His followers to do the same. If we don't share this, many will believe the one to come first, known as "The Antichrist " is the real messiah by deceiving those that have been taught "The Law" was done away with at the cross. . Folks this is the spirit of the Antichrist that is so prevalent in the world today through the teachings and doctrines of men. The Antichrist in scripture is known as "The Lawless One" and I believe Satan is preparing through his craftiness to deceive many by injecting the thought that our Messiah was against His own Father's Instructions (law). . Point people to Deuteronomy 13, the very proof text of the real coming Messiah vs the false one. Like Eve in the garden, Satan twisted what YHVH had clearly spoken to Adam and Eve, telling them that they would certainly not die by eating the forbidden fruit. YHVH said that in the end many would flock to Shepherds who would tickle the ears of His people with things that weren't true but sounded pleasing to them. Stand up and teach this because the enemy hopes that you won't.

@RLSolberg I don't know if you realize this or not. But in Deuteronomy 5:29 God seems to indicate that he already knew the children of Israel would not be able to keep his covenant.. that they would not be able to keep his commandments... Notice the wording at the opening of this verse.. Deut. 5:29 KJV " O that there were such an heart in them, that they would fear me, and keep all my commandments always, that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever!

I don't roll on shabbes!

Hi. With regards to Tovias question about Joseph not being the biological father of Jesus, therefore Jesus lineage could not run through Joseph.I found the comments below which may well give light on the subject. Regards. Orphan treated like one born in the house Moses was called by her name because she had raised him. Megillah 13a The Gemara understands that all the names referred to in the verse as children of Pharaoh’s daughter refer to Moses, as it will soon explain. The Gemara asks: Pharaoh’s daughter bore Moses? But didn’t she merely raise him? Rather, it is telling you that with regard to anyone who raises an orphan boy or girl in his house, the verse ascribes him credit as if he gave birth to him. The Gemara asks: Was Bithiah’s husband’s name Mered? Wasn’t his name Caleb? Rather, the verse alludes to the reason that Caleb married Bithiah. The Holy One, Blessed be He, said: Let Caleb, who rebelled [marad] against the advice of the spies, come and marry the daughter of Pharaoh, who rebelled against the idols of her father’s home. Sanhedrin 19b And did Bithiah give birth to Moses? But didn’t Jochebed give birth to him? Rather, Jochebed gave birth to him and Bithiah raised him. Therefore, he was called by her name as though she had given birth to him. Rabbi Elazar says: Proof for the aforementioned statement can be derived from here: “You have with Your arm redeemed your people, the children of Jacob and Joseph, Selah” (Psalms 77:16). And did Joseph sire all of the children of Israel? But didn’t Jacob sire them? Rather, Jacob sired them and Joseph sustained them financially. Therefore, they were called by his name; all of Israel were called the children of Joseph. Rabbi Shmuel bar Naḥmani says that Rabbi Yonatan says: Anyone who teaches another person’s son Torah, the verse ascribes him credit as if he sired him, as it is stated: “Now these are the generations of Aaron and Moses” (Numbers 3:1), and it is written immediately afterward: “And these are the names of the sons of Aaron: Nadav the firstborn and Avihu, Eleazar, and Ithamar” (Numbers 3:2), but it does not mention the names of Moses’ children. This serves to say to you that Aaron sired his children, but Moses taught them Torah. Therefore, the children were also called by his name. It appears that if a man raised an adopted son he was deemed to be his own son. Food for thought.

John 13:15 "If you love me, keep my commandments." I don't see any wiggle room here. Also, I would ask what is the mark of the beast in Rev 13 and 14. Worship is mentioned 7 times in these chapters. So the mark of the beast must be associated with worship. How do we worship God? That would be keeping the first 4 commandments. Is there an entity that claims to have changed the sabbath from the seventh day to the first day of the week? Yes. And that would be the papacy working through emperor Constantine. It is estimated that the papacy murdered between 50 and 100 million people who would not obey their dictates during the dark ages.

God's sovereignty has nothing to do with free will, God gave us free will to choose right or wrong. If we didn't have free will then God would be an evil God because God would be judging us for the evil he made us do,no Calvinism and arminianism and plagiarism is all a heresy an entirely blasphemy. God suddenly chose to give us free will otherwise him saying to us to believe would be illogical wicked and something we could not do because predestined robots can't believe anything, likewise they can't be saved, all he'd have to do is reprogram the Calvinite, no manakequen gnostic Calvinism is a system not Christianity, you don't make a system and then try to prove it in the Bible, Bible only, God said hey so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever shall believe on him shall be saved, everything in this statement from God denotes real free will, not heresy.

Why butcher the word of God just to avoid 1 commandment, the devil is in the mix here

Seriously, you, Solburg, twist the word of God, butchering it like a real Pro. The duty of the antichrist is to get Christians to turn their backs on the laws of Moses which was given by God, starting with the fourth commandment , once this is accomplished the sky's the limit, other commandments could become obsolete . So be careful of the teaching of RL SOLBURG with the devil's doctrines. The real doctrine is Isaiah 56 , introducing Jesus, this prophetic chapter tells you the truth, opposite of what Solburg is teaching you. Just humble yourself and have patience and read Isaiah 56.

Hi Professor. Thanks for all you do. I just found your channel last week and I enjoy it very much. I have a question pertaining to the 17:18 angel proclamation of Exo 3 from Acts 7. I'm confused because in v.6 of Exodus, the Angel of the Lord states in first person that it is the GOD of his forefathers, then Moses hid his face, afraid to look at GOD. I'm going a little of the cuff but I've always seen a difference in that particular Angel of the Lord than the others. Would these only be angels reciting GODS words Joshua and Moses, etc...? I've always assumed the the Angel of the Lord was GOD or JESUS or whatever else pertains to GOD himself. Like Joshua 5:15 or the 1 of the 3 Angels that did not go into Gomorrah in Gen 18. Thanks in advance.

Rob what was the sacrifice required for Yom Kippur? As all the other sacrifices that you’re talking about are for unintentional sin, mind you that not all of these required a blood sacrifice.

The unregenerated man does not have the desire or ability to come to Christ. Ephesians chapter 2 we were dead in our sins and God made us alive in Jesus Christ.

You did more twisting than the other guy supposedly did. lol

Rob, thanks another great teaching. Just curious about something. I have been studying a lot about the early Church Fathers (ante-nicene) to gain more understanding around the early church that was connected with the Apostles. I have yet to read anything from them about the continuance of animal sacrifices or even the need for them. I would think these men would have passed this down if it was required or even expected of believers. Thanks, again. Shalom

Of course God is always faithful and merciful, that’s not the problem, the problem is when people keep saying we are human, we will always make mistakes. Jesus came here to show us how to be successful through him by following his example of love, love conquers all, and allows Gods law to replace our heart of stone to a heart of flesh. Jesus loves the Father so much that not one temptation of sin could penetrate him. Ask yourself, do you really love God? If so, he says keep my commandments in your heart as I have kept my Father’s Commandments in my heart. This is how you fulfill the law, through love, the law in itself cannot save you, it’s by letting the law become your nature that saves you, for now you are back in the image of God. God’s greatest work is transforming people back into His image, like many in life and in scripture.

I have a couple of questions for you . You are so well versed and blessed with such understanding. I am sure you will have no problem answering such basic questions. You preach “without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins . But stated here . Leviticus 5:11 (KJV) But if he be not able to bring two turtledoves, or two young pigeons, then he that sinned shall bring for his offering the tenth part of an ephah of fine flour for a sin offering; he shall put no oil upon it, neither shall he put [any] frankincense thereon: for it [is] a sin offering. Flour was accepted for a sin offering no shedding of blood involved. The other is Deuteronomy 4:2 (KJV) Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish [ought] from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you. Deuteronomy 12:32 (KJV) What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it. Jesus was well versed in the old scriptures so he would know these . So it would only be reasonable that he knew he could not add to nor take away from the FATHERS word . My understanding is you , we , may not have the full understanding of what is being said . We do know this Malachi 3:6 (KJV) For I [am] the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed. Over time HE changes not but proven fact man does .

Rob, - Are we reading the same bible? Your argument would have some foundation if not for Acts 21:18-26 Where Shaul (Paul) went with four other men under the vow of the Nazir and was purified WITH them. The purification ritual involved the sacrifice of an animal (see Numbers 6, below). Acts 21:18-26: "18 The next day Paul went with us to visit James (Ya'akov, Yeshua's brother), and all the elders were present. 19 After greeting them, he related one by one the things that God had done AMONG THE GENTILES through his ministry. 20 When they heard it, they praised God. Then they said to him, “You see, brother, how many thousands of believers there are among the Jews, and THEY (the gentile believers among the Jews) ARE ALL ZEALOUS FOR THE LAW. 21 They have been told about you that you teach all the Jews living among the gentiles to forsake Moses and that you tell them not to circumcise their children or observe the customs. 22 What then is to be done? They will certainly hear that you have come. 23 So do what we tell you. We have four men who are under a vow (THE VOW OF THE NAZIR). 24 JOIN these men, go through the rite of purification WITH them, and pay for the shaving of their heads. Thus, all will know that there is nothing in what they have been told about you but that you YOURSELF OBSERVE AND GUARD the law. 25 But as for the gentiles who have become believers, we have sent a letter with our judgment that they should abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols and from blood and from what is strangled and from sexual immorality.” 26 Then Paul took the men, and the next day, HAVING PURIFIED himself, he entered the temple with them, making public the completion of the days of purification when THE SACRIFICE WOULD BE MADE FOR EACH OF THEM." Numbers 6:13-20 "13 “This is the law for the Nazirites when the time of their consecration has been completed: they shall be brought to the entrance of the tent of meeting, 14 and they shall offer their gift to the Lord, one male lamb a year old without blemish as a burnt offering, one ewe lamb a year old without blemish as a purification offering, one ram without blemish as an offering of well-being, 15 and a basket of unleavened bread, cakes of choice flour mixed with oil, and unleavened wafers spread with oil, with their grain offering and their drink offerings. 16 The priest shall present them before the Lord and offer their purification offering and burnt offering 17 and offer the ram as a sacrifice of well-being to the Lord, with the basket of unleavened bread; the priest also shall make the accompanying grain offering and drink offering. 18 Then the Nazirites shall shave the consecrated head at the entrance of the tent of meeting and shall take the hair from the consecrated head and put it on the fire under the sacrifice of well-being. 19 The priest shall take the shoulder of the ram, when it is boiled, and one unleavened cake out of the basket and one unleavened wafer and shall put them in the palms of the Nazirites, after they have shaved the consecrated head. 20 Then the priest shall elevate them as an elevation offering before the Lord; they are a holy portion for the priest, together with the breast that is elevated and the thigh that is offered. After that the Nazirites may drink wine." So, Paul is going to tell proselytes (gentile believers in Yeshua were proselytes....or in other words, converts to Judaism) there is no need to observe the law, yet he determined it necessary to circumcise Timothy? Paul is going to forbid the sacrifice of animals in one breath, yet pay for those under a vow to have ALL OF THEIR HEADS shaven and have an animal SACRIFICED on his behalf and for the others in another breath? Paul is either a Torah observant Jew converting people to Judaism, deserter from the faith, or someone very, very confused. The choice is yours to believe. Regardless your views on Paul, his understanding should never be required to substantiate anyone's faith in Yeshua. Now, onto a more interesting fact. Outlined in Ezekiel 45, the prophet is clearly hearing from the Creator regarding the processes, procedures and responsibilities of those performing the Temple services during the millennial kingdom reign. I think you would even agree that Chapters 40-48 of Ezekiel speaks about the millennial kingdom, correct? Now, in respect to the responsibility of THE PRINCE (which most if not all biblical scholars, Torah Teachers, Pastors, Preachers, Evangelists...etc., believe is the Messiah), it is mentioned that he, the messiah, is responsible for offering sacrifices and offerings of atonement on HIS OWN BEHALF and on the behalf of the people of Israel, correct? But didn't Hebrews say, and Paul in other NT mail, agree that sacrifices were no longer required? Then what in the heck is the messiah doing during the millennial kingdom? Are we simply going to have a 1000-year BBQ around the temple? I know it might be a little difficult to digest, but brother, it is right there in black and white, and probably says the very same thing in your bible, too. The Prince (a.k.a., Messiah) will offer sacrifices and offerings on his behalf and on behalf of the people of Israel to Adonai. You don't have to like it, but it's right there. So, we have Yeshua, on numerous occasions, screaming that the law of God is eternal and perfect, and that we should be perfect in it, just as our Holy Father. We have the Messiah's brothers condoning sacrifices. We have Paul condoning and participating in sacrifices, and we have the Prince (The Messiah) offering sin offerings in the millennial kingdom. Before Yeshua's time here on earth there were sacrifices. During Yeshua's time here on earth, there were sacrifices. After Yeshua's time here on earth, there were sacrifices and when he returns, there will be sacrifices once again. So.......there's no more sacrifice for sin? This concept, as solid as it may sound to you, absolutely IS NOT a Yeshua HaNatzrit-derived concept. And based on the evidence found in Acts above, it's not even a Paulinian concept. Next, as listed above, there are specific ordnances mentioned for gentile believers in Yeshua. Please understand, there is absolutely no difference between the ordnances given to a gentile believer in Yeshua and those given to a gentile believer attending a Jewish Synagogue before ~30CE. If you think there is, or should be, we have bigger theological problems. These gentile believers already knew when Shabbat was. They already knew not to eat unclean meat. They already knew to observe the appointed times of the Lord. What remained were some specifics about the unclean meat and sexual immorality; These were identified as; ingesting blood, eating strangled animals and the meat of animals offered to idols (swine included), and sexual immorality. Sexual immorality, as explained in Torah, covered quite a number of things that gentile believers in Yeshua in Corinth were probably unfamiliar with. My assumption is that when the ordnance was provided to those Jewish Rabbis in charge of the synagogues in the diaspora, the Rabbis knew to double-tap the sexual immorality prohibitions outlined in Torah for the benefit of the gentiles in attendance. These ordnances were no different in ~60CE than they were in ~60BCE. These ordnances remain the same for gentile followers of Adonai. The main message of Yeshua was no different than those of the prophets of old....that Adonai's salvation is of, and from, the Jews and that every Jew needs to return (teshuvah) to Adonai and be obedient to Torah. The reason for this message is so that the Jews can be a blessing to the nations and a light to the world as Adonai explicitly describes in Tanakh. This is so that the world, through the Jews (the firstborn of Adonai) might be healed, redeemed, restored......and saved. The more repentant and obedient Jews we have, the better off we are as the human race. As I have mentioned before, the message of Messiah to all Jews everywhere was REPENT (Teshuvah) and be more Jewish. For the gentiles in attendance, Yeshua's message was, "the Jews here today have a lot of work to do. That is why I am so hard on them. They are going to need your help. Be helpful to the Jews and do not be a burden. If you want to become a Jew, find a Jew and ask about the process of conversion. Once you convert to Judaism, be more Jewish!" So, yes, do as Yeshua Rabbeinu instructs and listen to the Rabbis and be sure to do all they instruct, for their authority rests on the seat of Moshe. And what does the Rabbis say? In lieu of a Temple, offer sacrifices of prayer. But once the services re-convene, if you love the Lord your God (the Creator of the Universe) and if you are a true follower of Yeshua, you might want to find yourself ZEALOUS FOR THE LAW just as those early gentile believers! Shalom, RR

Thanks Rob for another great teaching on Hebrews. Shalom! Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.

At first I felt RL was attacking Hebrew roots but he’s actually pretty fair and he even if I don’t think his arguments are always valid he certainly doesn’t run away from an argument and ultimately he’s testing scripture which is biblical.I disagree but I’m a fan of him and a fan of debates. Ps saying animal sacrifices are required for sin does not nullify the cross. We have to read our entire Bible to understand it(Old and New Testament ) all throughout the Old Testament. We see the father telling the children of Israel that their sacrifices are not enough, and that the sacrifices of someone who is constantly sinning is detestable to him Jesus came to die because our sacrifice was not enough. He came to bring the hearts of his children back to their fathers(Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob who were all known for their faith and their personal relationships with the father rather than the bureaucracy and traditions of the state) in fact most of the deciples would have continued to engage in sacrifices since we know they were heavily engaged in the community and even are noted in the Bible for going to the feasts and food laws after the death of Yeshua to claim sacrifices are unnecessary is essentially to claim greater understanding than the apostles.

If you dont understand sacrifice is about Shedding of the blood of the innocence. And not have remorse. stop teaching agaist it. Your/our sacrifice is required daily. Think about this way.Every time we sin we are shedding His blood all over again.

I just spent the entire day listening to a nice voice read The Book of Jubilee. Glad I did.

It was never the animal’s blood that took away the sins of the person. It was the person’s faith and repentance. The sin sacrifice is a physical representation of the work of MESSIAH. In the past it pointed forward to HIS death and Resurrection. When they resume they will point back to be a reminder of what HE did. MESSIAH forgives 2 people of their sins (Luke 5 :20 and 7 :48) without a sin sacrifice and before HIS death. This is not a New Testament concept. Numbers 21 :4-9, Hosea 6 :6, Deuteronomy 30, 2 Chronicles 7 :14. Forgiveness is given when the offender truly repents and has faith in YHWH. Otherwise why does HE reject sacrifices done with the wrong motives. It’s not a magic formula to try and appease HIM. It’s about genuine faith and repentance. Genesis 4 :2-8, Isiah 66 :1-6, Psalm 51 :16-18.

Christians are really stuck on these animal sacrifices?, just a moment folks, there will be animal sacrifices in the future. No doubt about it, the prophets spoke about it in the Tanakh. And yes, it is literally!!!

Paul in 1 Corinthians 7:19 he days circumcision is nothing and uncircumsion is nothing but keeping the commandments is what matter Jesus says in Matthew 5:18

You are misunderstanding the btn the Moral Law (10 commandments)and ceremonial laws .the Moral Law they are the ones which in Matthew 5:19 talks, you honor your father and your mother,you don't kill, you don't steal,you do have no other gods apart from God

No need for a rocket science degree. Just get a KJV Bible search and look up the word "ordinance" (the "handwriting of") which was nailed to the cross. Then all you need to know is the difference between the sabbaths of the ordinances and the 7th day sabbath. The moral law is the definition of sin today. What? - You want an excuse for sin; or teach that God can't define it anymore?

I think both are missing a piece of the puzzle. Truth might be somewhere in the middle.... as in Natsarim or Hebrew roots teachings. I dunno. Just a confused seeker of Truth here.

This is silly the levitical law is done away with and Jesus is high priest now. I think you're misrepresenting the viewpoint.

All glory goes to Jesus Christ of Nazareth! We were born into sin, No man is good. He loved and knew you before you were born. Jesus was born a virgin birth, God manifest in the flesh. Was crucified for our sins. Taking the penalty we deserve, And if we believe that he was risen on the third day and invite his holy spirit into our heart we will be saved, beginning your relationship with the one true living God.

Jesus said to Torah believers, "You can't serve two masters

Torah believers can not work with the gospel. Jesus said if you put new wine in old bottles, they will break and the wine waste. New wine must be poured in new bottles, and the wine will preserve Jesus said i am the way the truth and the life no man cometh unto the father but by me Torah believers fallow the levitical priesthood who has lost their identity and the Ark of the covenant and the temple destroyed any one who is following in that path is like a blind man who can't see where he is heading to Jesus said i am the light of the world and he that falloweth me shall not walk in darkness but will have the light of life

You have a serious unresolved problem here. You have made the case in the writings of Paul and the unknown author of Hebrews that Christ has died once for all for sins, and there is no more offering for sins. Yet, for some strange reason, man is still dying off for nearly 2,000-years after the fact. Why? If Christ has fully atoned for our sins, why would we need to continue to needlessly die for sins which are fully atoned for??? Do you think god just enjoys watching us suffer and squirm or is it possible you are not telling us the whole truth here? So, it’s not just 119 Ministries that is forced into the corner here of being the only ones needing to explain why Christ went to the cross. Your own explanaition leaves a lot to be desired on that front as well. Secondly, you are at least partly right in your idea that the sacrificial system ceased at the cross, because Daniel 9:24-26 clearly indicates that when Messiah is cut off the sacrifice and oblation would cease. Unfortunately for your view, Daniel is not the only prophet that had something to say along these lines. In Ezekiel 37, God has made it clear that when he restores the Davidic kingdom he will once again place his sanctuary in the midst of his people. Thus, as we might expect, another earthly sanctuary will be introduced when Christ returns. And Ezekiel 40-48 goes into 9 chapters worth of details as to what will happen when that time comes. Also, Ezekiel 44 and Jeremiah 33 remind us that God has not forgotten his salt covenant of Numbers 18 with the Levites, and we find in these end time prophecies that the Levitical order will be reinstated in its priestly function in the coming temple under the restored Davidic kingdom. Ezekiel 40-48, Jeremiah 33 and Zechariah 14 also point forward to future animal sacrifices being made in the coming Davidic kingdom. That would appear to suggest that the ceasing of the sacrifices and oblations prophecied to occur at the cross in Daniel 9:24-26 was at most a temporary halting of the sacrificial system here on earth, seeing we have no earthly temple today, not an utter abolishment of the sacrificial system. And if you argue that the questionis not simply that we can’t physically carry out the sacrifices today, but that God doesn’t want us doing that anymore, the fact that God is the one prophecying of his intentions of bringing the sacrifices back really calls your logic into question here. But, let’s consider the history of the matter for a moment. And this was not new in Christ’s day either, because Israel had already gone through a time back in Nebuchadnezzar’s days when the temple was destroyed, and the sacrificial system was halted at that time as well. But, the moment the temple was rebuilt the sacrificial system resumed. And even earlier than that in 2Chronicles 29 the temple was out of use for a time back then as well during its pollution, and it would have been unlawful to reinstitute temple services until after the temple was purified of the pollution brought into it. So, we know that God is aware that when the temple is polluted or there is no temple, the portions of the law associated with earthly sacrifices requiring an earthly sanctuary would be difficult to comply with. But, the moment God introduces his sanctuary in our midst again, every indication is given in prophecy to suggest that animal sacrifices are returning in our not so distant future. But, even before then, we find that certain torah sanctuary protocols are clearly being carried out in the heavenly sanctuary, such as in the case of the offering up of the incense with the golden censor on the golden altar in Revelation 8, or Christ presenting himself as a slain lamb in Revelation 5, or the smoke filling the sanctuary in heaven as on the day of atonement in Revelation 15-16 and so on. What would heaven need a golden altar for, or a golden censor, for example, unless the sacrificial laws pertaining to the sanctuary originated in the heavenly model after which Moses made a copy of the earthly sanctuary in Sinai? Sorry, but the law was never done away with, and the sacrificial system never was brought to a true end. The law is simply presently operating under the more original heavenly sanctuary model and Christ is personally representing the sacrifice as in Revelation 5 presently, standing before his Father as a slain Lamb in perfect compliance with the law, presenting his blood on our behalf. So, could it be the real reason why the sacrifices are temporarily halted is because Christ is presently representing those sacrifices during this second major temple era in prophecy, being he is both the sacrifice and the High Priest, but eventually he steps out from between God and man to return to earth to make war in Isaiah 59, Zechariah 14 and Revelation 19, bringing us back under yet another third temple era in the coming Davidic kingdom where animal sacrifices are resumed. In fact, even Christ is portrayed as the prince over the Levites in Ezekiel 44-46 who also engages in performing animal sacrifices. But, here is the question that Christians aren’t asking that is so critical. If Christ fully atoned for our sins back at the cross, why would the author of Hebrews imagine Christ needs to become a High Priest after the fact to ever live to make intercession for us in Hebrews 7:25? Why would he need to everlive to make intercession for us for sins which are already completely atoned for? The only way his intercession after the fact is going to work is if you shift to the argument of suggesting that either no actual atonement was made on the cross, or only a partial atonement took place on the cross. The four gospels claim Christ died during Passover, not on the final day of atonement. And when a sacrifice is being killed and its blood is used for atonement purposes, it must be used on the altar for that purpose according to God in Leviticus 17. But, the blood of the Passover Lamb is never instructed to be used on the altar to make atonement. When the original Passover instruction was given in Exodus 12, there was no sanctuary or altar back in Egypt for Israel to make an atonement with the blood on. Instead, they put the blood on the door of their dwellings. In like manner, we find at no time in any of the four gospels, or the broader New Testament for that matter, that Christ’s blood on Passover after his death was taken into the earthly temple and used to make an atonement on the altar there either. So, it would appear that any atonement being made by Christ comes much later, after he ascended back to his Father. And seeing that there is a final day of atonement before the judgment in Revelation 15-16, the process of atonement continues onward until the scapegoat of Leviticus 16 bears the sins of the people out of the camp to never return. Well, that has clearly never happened and is yet another portion of the law needing to be fulfilled. How do we know the sins are still in the camp, Christians are still complaining about the sin which torments them, and they are still dying because of sin, that is how we know conclusively the sin has not yet been removed from our midst to fulfill the prophetic implications of the Day of Atonement service in Leviticus 16. When the sin is removed, there is no more a causal agent of death, because the wages of sin is death. Those who are truly free of sin would also be equally free of suffering and death. And suffering and death simply did not cease after the cross. And so, it becomes evident that we are still undergoing the process of atonement which has not yet reached a point of completion. So, again, this explains why christ will not let any jots and tittles pass from the law until all has fulfilled.

Your first option is a bust, because to suggest the sacrificial portion of the law was done away with would be an utter denial of what Christ is teaching in Matthew 5:18-especially in light of the fact that heaven and earth does not pass away until well into our future according to Revelation 21:1. Furthermore, Christ warns us in verse 17 to not even think that he has come to destroy the law which is a further provision you skipped over here as you chose to think he came to destroy the law-at least in part. But, Christ didn’t disturb a single jot or tittle of the law at his first coming. If he had, he would have been an imperfect sacrifice with no light in him according to Isaiah 8:20, another provision you conveniently skipped over here. And if we focus on the phrase “until all is accomplished” as you suggest, we know perfectly well all was not accomplished at Christ’s first coming. For example, and this is by no means exhaustive: None of the fall feasts of Leviticus 23 were fulfilled back at Christ’s first coming. Only the Spring feasts up through Pentecost in Acts 2 was fulfilled at Christ’s first coming, leaving Trumpets, Atonement and Tabernacles to be fulfilled at or around the time of his second coming (thus giving more weight to the discussion raised in Zechariah 14 of why everyone is being required to keep Tabernacles after Christ returns). And it would be trivial to demonstrate other portions of the law which have yet to be fulfilled-especially the gathering of the people promised in Deuteronomy 30 which Christ himself admits in Matthew 23 he was not able to accomplish back at his first coming, but points forward to occur at his second coming in Matthew 24: a task he hands over to his angels to gather the people from one end of heaven to the other.